The University of Cincinnati’s continuing education program (Osher Lifelong Learning Institute) has welcomed CROW for three educational sessions on Rights of Nature to date. The  student population consists mostly of retirees who are looking to grow in knowledge and interest. We have interesting conversations about the need and ability of our historically colonial society to make the paradigm shift necessary to including non-human entities in legal system protections. As with the Youngstown academic group, many participants are silent. One reported “all this is just very shocking”. It is difficult to digest the extent of the systemic problems that need dismantling for citizens to protect their health, their planet and their future.